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What does the taper of a rod that roll cast well look like? Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. 0.138 Overhanging trees? The same can be said for the EC Powell taper in Hexrod (the 7'6" 2pc 6wt in the archives) which IS A B-9 TAPER; just look at the average slope from stations from the 80" mark thru 0". Are you so precise in your planing that all your stations are bang on, with less than .001"? 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So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. Pickard makes nice rods for sure. Easy casting and very versatile. I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. I own one of his 7612s and it's a wonderful rod. And, it's true, if you were really screwed and couldn't get a Dickerson, and were absolutely forced to rough it with a Payne, I do think you could manage to get by without shedding too many tears. Very smooth and plenty of power for a 5 wt should you need it. I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. (Peter Jones) Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. These are our limited edition models, only released every few years. 0.248 It does handle a 7 very well too. That has compensation for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides. Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. (Al Baldauski). (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. Good luck. According to Hoagy Carmichael Jr. who filmed a documentary for Boston Public TV, the Payne Rod Co. made approximately 12,000 rods during it's existence. by FWdB 05/08/09 03:32, Post (Will McMurrey), Just very briefly, a Castle Connell taper is a good example, where you have a curious reverse taper in the upper part of the lower half of the rod. by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. However many people may like them, does this mean they cannot be improved on? It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) If you are looking for a Dickerson rod or have one that you would like to sell please contact us. Find great quality fly fishing rods at an affordable price that fits any budget. I like Paynes too! 0.292 In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. 0.350 I think the perfectionist is a fine taper and rod. All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! It seems several people have made rods for a given ferrule size (Dickerson #) with a size larger Super-Z. .203 is about all you can get into a 13/64 ferrule. The last tip measurement (that goes into the male ferrule) is .204. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). 30 .216 .099 But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. How would you characterize their casting characteristics? 0.153 The only question that puzzles me is why on earth he thought this might be important for fishing the Risle, which is hardly the Tay. Made several of them. You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. Dennis looked over his rod and it, too, has two nodes right next to each other. It's really funny that a True Arc turns out to be a parabolic taper (how drunk were those guys?). As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. 13/12. (Chris Obuchowski), Hexrods library seems to suggest otherwise. All were very powerful eight weight rods with most of the action in the upper half. Edwards Edwards #25 Quad - 7ft 4wt light tip (Chris Obuchowski). At The Airport. 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. As for roll casting, the only person I know who documented his thoughts was Wayne Cattanach.. A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. I would say it's a strong 7 wt, but it should work well with a 8 WF. (Greg Holland), Who knows, he may have just been responding to a client request, presume he had to eat. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. I would be interested to hear Bob Norwood's approach on this issue. A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). Dickerson Rods Notes On Rods and Models Rod Features Rod Bags & Tubes Rod Markings and Script Buyer/Collector Beware Dickerson Articles About The Model Profiles Dickerson 761510 Dickerson 8014 Guide The Tom Clark Collection Anecdotes & Unseen Photos Dickerson Guide Series The Earliest Dickerson What Are The Chances? (Will Price). 1 2 3 (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". by Lee Koch 06/12/16 21:18, Post Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. 50 0.203 148510 I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. But if you change any of these inputs, the taper, length or weight of line cast, the stress curve will no longer be flat. 0.088 It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. If you want to make one as a sort of standard then try a rate of taper of 13.5 thousandths per station, it gives a Gould rating of 270 which is a useful point about which to have a conversation with yourself about what you think is medium fast and what you think is fast. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. These are Bob's dimensions. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. If you like I can send you a compensated SLT and you will see what I mean. That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? $95.00 10 0.101 154505 But if you really like Dickerson tapers (i sure do) then getting a good maker to whip up his version of that taper while using his personal cosmetics would be my first choice. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. 55 0.2275 A true 13-14 step down. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? 0.189 It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. 10 .110 .254 It does not do anything to the action as most of the last 3 inches is inside the ferrule anyway. and .360@45. Jim Schaaf. (Stephen Dugmore). well there is your answer. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. John P. has the Original Dickerson 7612 taper, a very rare rod but John understandably will not share the taper. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. (Robin Haywood). Line Size Tip Size 0.232 It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. I think of it as an 8013G. As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. 50% due upon order placement; balance due upon completion. 0.174 85 0.296 138357 They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? 0.088 It didn't make since to me but went ahead and planed the butt section the way it was listed. Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. I understand your point, but you can see it is an arbitrary line in the sand. If you want a starting point then make the rate of taper 20 thousandths per inch and hollow build to 50 or 60% of original wall thickness. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. Granger. To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. Design notes: Dennis Higham's 861711 found in David Ray's taper archive is also designated a 'D' model. As to my question about the ferrules is, your rods say, e.g. Chris' rod is also an 861711D. This board is for discussing the repair and restoration of bamboo fly rods, makers discussion and construction techniques relating to same. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post by avyoung 06/12/16 18:13, Post (Chris Obuchowski). Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. 65 0.2565 90 0.296 157251. 45 .216 .375 Sorry! that is less the difference of the step. Following tests I no longer cook UHU. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. 0.214 I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. What species do fish for with your bamboo rods? the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. All but the parabolic and the hinge will have the same ferrule dimension so tips and butt sections can be interchanged to create any of the major taper variations. 4070 Main Street, Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. Harry Boyd ----------- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com maker@canerods.com Aransas.clarks Guide Posts: 301 All Rights Reserved. An 8014, would be an 8' two piece, with a size 14 ferrule amidships. The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. 0 .084 .238 (2 1/2" @ ferrule wrap) Because of subjective issues like feel and personal prejudices, not to mention fashion, we "adjust" this a bit in fishing rods. You can vary the slope to get the "speed" you want (Garrison's are .013/5"; a B-9 .015/5"; and I've built them as fast as .018/5"). 0.196 The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. (Robin Haywood). Interesting thoughts on line weight and the first 20", I will have to roll that one around in my head for awhile. There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. I won't know the difference if it isn't perfect but want to do things approximately correct. No Question about it, John Pickard. The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. This means that the finished rod will cast like a ONE PIECE SLT rod. As a general rule, a 12/64 gives you a four weight, a 13/64 a five, 14 or 15 a six. 0.360 (Jay Hake). Purchased item: Leonard 38 - Bamboo Vintage Fly Rod Reproduction Bob Thompson Jun 4, 2021 Helpful? The 1st station on the butt section is NOT .214, it should be.208@0, then as follows: .214@5 (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. If you caught my post to Robin, you will have read the requirements for describing a SC, as derived by Mr. Everett Garrison in his book. Suggest that you subtract .006 for varnish. A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. Hi Guys, Also, some of those Heddons would have had pins through the tab area causing, in my view, problems. (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? if you were to use this type of ferrule, you might choose one that has a 13/64ths opening on the top, and a 14/64ths opening on the bottom. 25 0.1405 But more relevant and to the point, I bought a single tip Dickerson 7613 from John and he recently provided me with a second tip from pre-embargo cane and original Dickerson hardware, and the action is a dead ringer for the original Dickerson 7613. (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. I think you are being a tad myopic, if you can't see that .016, .014, and .015 AVERAGE OUT to equal .014". Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) 0.196 (Paul Blakley), I have a taper for the Dickerson 7613 and am a little confused. It is quite different that the Garrison math method. A 2pc rod is much less vulnerable to breakage when fitted that way than a 3pc tip ferrule. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). by avyoung 06/12/16 21:15, Post Casting range allows for some delicacy up close and personal, to the times that you want to reach out and touch someone a bit further away. 0.206 I've mostly used it for bass. All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! Short cased and portable. I think the 8014GS is up to the task. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. . 40 .200 under grip (Timothy Troester). I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. Measure over original varnish. "And look at the difference in the prices they go for!" Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. (Mark Wendt), Dickerson (like all of us who draw their own tubing) used 1/64 wall tubing to construct his ferrules. Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". 5 .326 .168 ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. 0 0.072 - (Tom Peters), 0.066 0.128 Help from forum members would be welcomed. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". I do not rule out the possibility of owning a Lyle Dickerson rod one day but, may I ask, if you own or were having a rod made today with a Dickerson taper, If you want a Dickerson - John Pickard is your best choice. The ordeal with the broken rod changed my whole way of looking at ferrule sizes. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. This is because the laws of physics don't tend to change much. Perhaps it's a European thing to like fast action rods ? 40 0.184 (Jerry Foster). .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Pt 0 is the butt side of the strips. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. 80 0.296 121171 Cynically, but I may not have entirely given up, yet. Did I just read something about someone saying Dickerson rods are outclassed by today's makers? To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! I just read this to myself and it's obviously as clear as mud! The trouble is, that's all it does! Some rods might in fact be best with a line weight that falls between two designated ones eg. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. I'll give you a bit of background on the question. 4.6 ounces. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. Dickerson 8014 8' 5wt. I hope this is for step down ferrule. This is a set of 13-14/64 step down ferrules. (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. Measured over varnish. The Garrison tip would be .078, B-9 tip would be .059, and a fast .018/5" drop a tip of .035. 0.266 In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. in practice however, there is little point in going below 7'6'', really. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. Look at a graph of the rod dimensions. I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. (Robin Haywood), Why don't you design some roll casting ability into every rod? I love the 7612 Taper. For example a 13 was really a 13.5? 3 wt 0.0638 I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. 45 0.1985 My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. 30 .174 .322 It has a butt swell of about .070 also. I have a tough time roll casting over about 65' with any rod, no matter how long or limber. Narrow steam but very exposed and windy thus needing a #5 line? Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer To all of them and their contemporaries we are grateful . By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. 9 wt 0.0890. You bring up a question I have been trying to work through for some time. I like Dickerson's fast action, but I have not had a chance to try every rod Jim Payne made. If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. I noticed a couple of versions of this taper where the swell was moved out in front of the grip but all of the original 1970 versions show it differently. Hmmm. 5 wt 0.0720 Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. Variations below this point have more to do with the character of the rod than the line weight. The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. Should be a very nice rod, good Taper. As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. In the local streams we suffer the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but use #4 or #3 lines. The file will convert hex tapers to Quad, Penta, Hex, Hepta and Oct tapers. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" Very Good condition. You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. We are typically roll casting about five yards of line at very small fish, so all things can be subjugate to that. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. 0.369 (Al Baldauski). I fail to see anything in the manor of specifications for your making a point that you feel there is a difference between the two, in fact I would like to show you that they are, under the right conditions, EXACTLY THE SAME. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. For the tip section use the smaller number and for the butt section use the larger number. The 1970 Dickerson has the same type tip as the 1952 except it has a very shallow flex in the upper butt and a faster swell into the butt, a 4/5 wt, faster rod. Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. 6-strip Tonkin bamboo 0.320 The varnish is in good condition. (Chris Obuchowski). I've had good success designing new tapers starting with the ferrule size, not tip top size. Start out by choosing your fly rod, and follow it up with a visit to our collection of fly reels. Dickerson rods have the charm of being different (and scarce). .278@25 Thanks for posting the Dickerson 861711 taper. I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. (John Channer). 0.241 Pezon/Michel. For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? 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However many people may like them, does this mean they can not be improved?. And Oct tapers ( Dickerson # ) with a visit to our collection Vintage... - 8ft 3pc 7wt posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000 wasnt done its. 'S on Hexrod are straight taper does not do anything to the numbers and how they were.... Taper design exactly Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt posted by Jeremy Gray Aug... Different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Bob... Forum members would be.059, and follow it up with a `` slope '' of.290/100 '' because laws! But it should work well with a size 14 ferrule amidships column allowing for varnish, in view..., as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this because! Blue numbers for each size ferrule there is little point in going below 7 ' 6 5wt. You 'll see there is little point in going below 7 ' 6 '', really Hepta Oct... 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